Monday, October 09, 2006

Setting the Record Straight on Social Security

(posted on October 9, 2006 - Click here to see images)

Joe was at the Ashlar Village Senior Community this morning and spoke to a packed room. Mary Fritz, the Deputy Speaker of the State House, and the100_0452.JPG newest member of the growing group, “Dems for Joe,” joined him. Joe touched on several issues, including Ned Lamont’s eight different positions on Iraq, the need to improve the healthcare system in our country, and the need to end the partisan gridlock in Washington.

One of the questions asked was on Joe’s plans to protect Social Security. Earlier this week, some of the residents received a mailer from Ned Lamont that twisted Joe's views on Social Security.

Joe wasted no time in setting the record straight:

I am just going to say flat out that I am not for privatization of social security and social security is probably the best program the federal government ever created.

Now on privatization, I’ll tell you that in the 90’s some people came to me and talked to me about privatization. Now this was an interesting idea, but the more I looked at it, the worse it looked. Ultimately you have to take more than a trillion dollars out of the social security trust fund to finance these privatized accounts. And what would be the effect of that? You make social security short on money years sooner.

So I looked at it and decided in the late 90’s it was a bad idea and I have a very consistent record of opposing President Bush every time he had tried to bring it up since then.

100_0450.JPGJoe was met with wild applause and was swamped with supporters.

One lady came up to him and said she is a life long Democrat, and she is sticking with him because she just doesn’t trust Lamont. Right after that another man came up to him and said he was a life long Republican and he also didn't trust Lamont.

Joe is getting such strong bipartisan support in this election, and it seems this election has brought Connecticut voters together on one more issue: people just don’t trust Ned Lamont.

To see more pictures from this morning click here.

21 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Lieberman campaign continues to use the "big lie" theory of campaigning.

Joe Lieberman was one of the founders of The bi-partisan centrist coalition" in the Senate.One of the promises the member of this group made was they would "keep an open mind on Ws Social Security Privatization scheme.
When Josh Marshall and others put heat on Lieberman he did what he's famous for,he broke his word to his fellow Senators and came out publicly against the plan.

Chuck Schumer at a fundraiser in NYC 6 months ago described Lieberman as a "Judas" because he said even after this public support Lieberman was still negotiating with Republicans on a privatization scheme.

Lieberman is loathed by both sides of the aisle for one simple reason.His word means nothing.

2:17 PM  
Blogger gchaucer2 said...

Thanks, anonymous. I thought this latest twist didn't ring true. I had to google up some info, outside of the Lamont fact sheet and it certainly looks like Lieberman supported privatization to me. Actually, there's a NYT story quoting him on it in 2002. Is it because he was speaking with retired folks who don't usually have access to the internet and thought he could float one past them?

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Rita said...

Hmmm…I gotta say that this seems a little false. Up until last year Ned was a member of a country club that has a scarecity of minorities—yet Ned changed his mind about his membership. So if Lieberman is to be excoriated for at one time considering SS privatization, someone might also apply that same thinking to Ned and say that he too should be excoriated for belonging for a decade to an all-white country club. There is a difference between thinking and doing, and in retrospect, Ned committed the greater sin.
Rita

3:33 PM  
Blogger gchaucer2 said...

Hurrah. Rita has a Lieberman site to which he/she can post.

4:32 PM  
Blogger Sue123 said...

20 years from now, I really won't care what country club Ned belonged to. However, I'll be wondering what happened to my Social Security check on a weekly basis if Joe had his way.

5:15 PM  
Blogger gchaucer2 said...

Good one, Sue123.

5:41 PM  
Anonymous Slats Grobnik said...

agreed ... 2 rails to the side pocket showboatin', Sue123

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why does Joe always have to campaign in "secret"? Why can't we have more PUBLIC debates? Is it because all he does is to twist the facts?

Maybe Joe should just join the Ashlar Village Senior Community where he apparently enjoys huge support. They can have nightly applause session with JOe every night ....

7:21 PM  
Anonymous MattR said...

Rita - The two situations are completely incomaparable. Nobody is excoriating Lieberman for a principled change of opinion. Despite what Sen Lieberman has recently said and despite what he wants you to believe, he has not changed his mind on privitization (or if his mind has changed, it was still open enough that it could be changed back)

If Joe is correct that he realized in the late 90's that private accounts were a bad idea and that he opposed Pres Bush in his efforts, then it should be real easy to find quotes from Lieberman denouncing Bush's plan, right? Well, good luck finding them and make sure to check the dates of any you do locate. You will notice that Lieberman (as is his Modus Operandi) was silent until it was clear that the country was against the Bush plan and at that point he began to give public statements opposing privitization.

I don't have links handy to back it up, but I would guesstimate at least 30-40 Democratic Senators came out against the Bush plan before Lieberman decided to speak up. Not really the sign of someone who has had a change of heart and is now committed to opposing privitization. Seems more like soeone who is waiting to see which way the wind blows before he opens his mouth.

7:23 PM  
Blogger Bergs said...

1) The fact that Lieberman has repeatedly opened the door to Social Security privatization in his public remarks, most recently in 2005, when he was the last Democratic Senator to oppose Bush's privatization scheme. For example:

In January 2005, Lieberman said to the Hartford Courant when asked about Social Security, that "this is an ongoing problem, and we'd be wise to deal with it,"adding further that "[I]f we can figure out a way to help people through private accounts or something else, great."

On February 18, 2005, Lieberman indicated that he was "listening and learning" about private Accounts.

In March 2005, Lieberman helped President Bush sell his privatization plan by claiming that "waiting just one year adds $600 billion to the cost" of "fixing Social Security," an untrue claim that was picked up and repeated by Bush even after Paul Krugman refuted it;

8:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe is afaid of real discussion. That is why he is afraid to announce his campaign stops more than 24 hours in advance.

He is afraid; but he spreads fear.

9:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what does he believe in beyond keeping power for himself?

-- iraq: disaster
-- foley scandal: wrong wrong wrong
-- minumum wage, health care for all?????????????

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does Joe screen his crowd like kissing partner?

10:15 PM  
Anonymous A Real Democrat said...

"100_0450.JPGJoe was met with wild applause and was swamped with supporters."

Wow. Terrific blog. No links to pix, and no hot link to the "click here" for more pix. I'm guessing that the picture quoted above would show the overwhelming support, sorry, the "swamped with support," from all, what, oh, six people in the room???

10:28 PM  
Anonymous A Real Democrat said...

OOOOPS.... My bad. I missed the linky at the top of the post. So I went there and looked at the picture. I was SO VERY WRONG... and I really do apoligize. There were AT LEAST 9 people in the room....

10:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what lying sacks of crap. yeah, the other day they were not displaying stops on the calendar until after the fact; may have persisted a couple days.

brilliant move, BA!!!!

J

10:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, but you're not saying there's more below the fold when really there isn't... ;-)

J

10:38 PM  
Blogger CT Bob said...

real democrat, you made me LOL. Thanks.

11:53 PM  
Anonymous Kablooey said...

Joe is getting such strong bipartisan support in this election, and it seems this election has brought Connecticut voters together on one more issue: people just don’t trust Ned Lamont.


Strong bipartisan support???? Oh, you mean uninformed Dems andthe GOP. hahaha I guess if it looks good in print it doesn't really matter if it's not the truth.

Poor delusional Rita (posted above), honey, you need to get busy and do some research on Joe. You'll find that just about everything out of his mouth is an outraged or a LIE. He lies just like a Republican. And he counts on people like you to take him at his word and not actually look up his record. He has supported the worst of the worst GOP policies and has the gall to call himself a Democrat. He has not done his job in pursuing the best interests of the people he's supposed to represent, nor has he fullfilled his obligation to proitect and defend the Constitution. Instead he has stood by in support of GOP assault on the Constitution, and anything he has to say in defense of his UnAmerican actions is lies lies lies. Thank the Goddess you are now in the minority in this country.

12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh please...rita's PAID.

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When i look at Joe in my thoughts i see him kissing Bush and hugging Zell Miller,his clone.

11:57 AM  

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